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Tips for a Successful Business & a Successful You: Addressing Comprehensive Health with Bill Renkas

Bill Renkas, Owner of Movement First Health & Wellness

I'm really excited to bring on one of my friends from the East Coast. Bill and I have worked together a lot. He's doing really amazing things. Bill is the owner of Movement First Health & Wellness. Although Bill's background is in physical therapy, he is looking to incorporate a more comprehensive approach for his patients. During his journey to start and progress his business, Bill has learned about the importance of work life balance, taking care of himself, and providing valuable care to his patients.

What we will be covering:

Could you tell us a little bit about you, your background, and where you're at now with your practice?

Bill: I run Movement First Health and Wellness. It's myself and a dietitian on our staff and we're actually bringing on a business manager within the next month. My roots were, (business-wise) that I started as a traveling therapist concierge going to people's homes which was awesome in its own sense. Being able to meet people, meet their pets, meet their family, (in that order), but eventually I wanted to have a space for those who didn't necessarily feel comfortable with me coming. It made the schedule a little neater to have people come see me versus me going to see them. I started different places and I was able to rent space from a CrossFit gym, a yoga studio, a personal fitness gym, and now I'm here in a brand new spot where I'm renting space from another physical therapist. It's been a crazy year, but you just got to take it in stride.

Before then, I was a physical therapist in a chain place that I would see many people, didn't have much mentorship, didn't have much help in terms of figuring out what I was doing and how to do it properly, didn't feel everything was going in an ethical manner. I got out of that, went to a different better place. It was there that I relearned my love for helping people and learning about the body, enhancing the way that I can help through therapy and through different modalities and techniques. I soon realized though that the model that they had wasn't quite holding up with the reimbursement rates in the area so ultimately decided that when they merged with the previous place that I was at that I was out of there. I went and did a part-time somewhere as I started to grow my business part-time at night and on weekends. Then, ended up going full time in the middle of the pandemic in October of 2020 which is I believe when we (Morgan and I) started. It was so helpful. I don't know if I would have been able to grow the way I grew without some of your guidance.

Since then I've been continuing to grow, as I mentioned the dietitian. Going forward, I'm hoping to even expand even more into wellness, bringing on mental health, maybe other movement providers. I would love to bring on some medicine whether it be functional medicine, some sort of medical side of the the the health world just to have that "everything in-house and together" so it's easy. We can all work as a team to help people.

Morgan: That's so cool. Thank you so much for sharing all of that. I think your story really exemplifies a lot of the things that all of us go through. I know when I was first out of school doing my first job and starting my business, sometimes it can feel really lonely and almost like I'm the only person who's going through this. That's just not true. A lot of us definitely have similar stories of bouncing around a little bit because you realize something is just not right. I think the courage that it takes is not super common to be able to say, "I have to really go after what my dreams are and the way that I think people should be treated."

I know that this comprehensive wellness space was really important to you and you wanted to be able to bring on all different aspects of different providers to allow patients to go door-to-door and see everybody that they need to see. That was the ultimate goal, and it sounds like you're on the pathway to that. Can you tell us a little bit more about all that?

Bill: Where it came from was the way that I help people. I try to take a whole body approach. I try to, and and I know a lot of the listeners/viewers probably do as well, you try and that's why you may be thinking about going into your own practice. Because you want to spend the time and you want to do what's right and all the things that are necessary to treat the entire individual versus just shuffling through and doing the bare minim. Within exploring that, within getting that extra time, I recognized there are people who have dietary problems that contribute to symptoms they have. They have psychological problems that contribute to not only their problems, but it impacts their ability to do what needs to be done and to care for themselves enough that they will actually put in the work sometimes. It's not everyone, but the people who do have it, they need that extra support. Obviously I'm not a mental health specialist, but I can see when somebody has trouble and needs something like that.

The challenge that I've witnessed is it's not always easy to get people to go and seek that type of help. Even dietitian or mental health because like us. When someone's told or recommended to go do something there's so many uncertainties within that. You just got comfortable enough to invest in your physical health and now this guy's telling you that you need to go talk to a shrink. The idea was that if we could have it where it is a package deal or it's not necessarily like you're going to see the physical therapist and then have a different package to see a mental health specialist. You essentially invest in your own wellness. Then, you have access to all of these providers. If your base provider is a psychologist and you're telling them about some sort of physical issue or that they haven't exercised then that mental health specialist can refer them to either a trainer, a physical therapist, or chiropractor within the practice that can take care of some of those issues. That will then potentially improve their mental health. Then, vice versa for someone who has physical issues and and is struggling with habit forming or struggling with some sort of grieving or depression that is impacting their progress. Then, it's imperative to be able to say,

"Hey, I really think this is important. Instead of seeing me this week, I'd really like you to see this person so that you can work through some of these things, get some strategies, get some skills so that you can work on them. Then we can follow up about it and see what else you need going forward."

You can come at it from a team approach and an ease of entry for all the different clinicians. That's kind of where I see it going. There are some practices in the area that have similar set ups, whether it be chiropractor, nutritionist, functional medicine, or acupuncture. It can be done. It's just a matter of making sure it's modeled so that it can provide the most benefit for the people who are using it. It needs to be able to be an environment for the providers that they feel like they have the time, the ability to make sure that they take care of people and give them what is best without an ego of thinking that they can do this without any additional help.

Morgan: Absolutely. That's actually a beautiful thing. Imagine healthcare being easy and about the patient. I think that's so cool. One of my other clients, they were just telling me about how they're in a similar situation where they're doing mobile but also rent space in a place. It's such a good environment for the clinicians too to be able to really work together and get to know each other rather than again feeling like you're on your own. I love that. I think that's so cool.

For me I know as a patient, one of the things that I try to say to the practice owners that I work with is to make things as easy as possible for your patients. Because the more barriers to entry that you put there, you really will get people who are very serious about it but it also could potentially prevent somebody from taking the steps that they need. For example if I have to make my own dentist appointment that for sure is not happening for another four weeks, just baseline. It'll be on my to-do list for the next one, but what I'm picturing with with your description is if they need to go see the dietitian and the dietitian is literally right across the hall from you then it's easy to set up and schedule with them.

Bill: No extra talk about intake forms, no extra talk about new businesses, no talk about trying to figure out how we can talk to each other, none of all that red tape around it. That's a beautiful thing about some of the bigger entities, as frustrating as it can be, that people will stay within that, but it's so easy to be able to just go on a my chart and see the notes.

One of the main themes that Bill and I have talked about both in our work together and then also just as friends as well is mental health as a business owner. Can you share a little bit more about your your story with that and what you've learned over the past couple of years?

Bill: It's something that when you are getting into this world and seeing all the people joining this world and promoting their success and promoting that they can help you grow your business and all that stuff, what you don't see is the the everyday grind. You don't see the the struggle, the second guessing, the questioning if things are right. Not everybody has that, but it's also good to know that a lot of people do have that and it's important to know that that can be definitely normal, and being able to see if the thoughts you're having are true or if you need to reframe them in order to not feel stuck.

Within my own journey, during the time that we worked together, we actually had to take a break because I was having a mental breakdown. I was so anxious and so frustrated that I wasn't healthy and it ended up being one of the best months I ever had after taking a break because of all the work that I put into it. When I was able to relax, sit back, and and do the work, I was able to enjoy it and be able to take care of myself. I was able to enjoy the process of working with people a little bit more versus worrying so much about the bottom line and getting things done.

I found out that I have ADHD and that was something that I had suspicions. My wife's an occupational therapist and she diagnosed me with it. Looking back in the past, there were some signs of notes from teachers, how forgetful I was with certain things, there were definitely signs of lacking that focus, the memory loss executive function issues. Learning that I had ADHD was a huge enlightenment and I think this is actually even grown even more since I've been working with Morgan in a sense. Once I've realized what I was dealing with. I was able to learn that the things I've dealt with, what is normal with this, and these are the things that I have to do to overcome it. Without that diagnosis though, my mind was like, "What's wrong with me? Why can't I do this? Everybody's just doing the work fine, why can't I? I should be doing this, should be doing that..." a lot of "shoulda woulda coulda" stuff as opposed to accepting how it was and and navigating around it. That led to increased anxiety, depression, and me being in a really hard place. I need help from mental health specialists' medication to make sure that I am able to sustain a healthy lifestyle; even with the stresses of work and early parenthood, because it's very stressful. It's a different kind of stress. When it comes to doing your notes at work you're stressed about doing all your notes and seeing all your clients, but when it's a business, you're stressed because you have the whole thing on top of your shoulders.

Another thing that I found out, and this doesn't make any sense because I love talking to people and I love engaging with people, but one of the other things that I discovered with help was that I have social anxiety. That imposter syndrome, that feeling that you're bothering someone, you're feeling like what you're doing isn't good enough are a form of social anxiety. What that does is that basically stops you from doing all the things that you need to do, believe you can do, but then as soon as you start letting yourself think about something from a vantage point of how others will respond to you then you shut down because of that social anxiety. It's really learning the skills and strategies with help to change your viewpoint, boost your self-esteem, and be able to learn different ways to navigate it. It's really important to listen to your body, listen to your stress, and then don't be afraid to go get help. It may just be the thing that helps you blossom and grow more than you could ever have expected to grow. I feel like it's helping me to do now. It's giving me the confidence to go through and do things in a bigger way. Because I know my limitations and I know the things that I need help with, and I can go out and get it.

The other thing I wanted to say is that it's really important to take a look at "why do you want to start a business?" That's a completely separate piece to it. There's the stress of having a business, but then there's the stresses of why do you want the business? Is it because you just want something comfortable for yourself? Is it because you don't want a boss? Is it because you want to grow something? Is it because you want your name to be known for something? Is it because you want to be proud about something? You have to look and say is this actually going to provide me with that pride or do I need to start with that pride now and enjoy every single moment? Then you have to think, "if I'm enjoying every single moment, what does life look like at it's best? What helps me get to my 'why'?"

Knowing why you're doing it, why you get up in the morning, and making sure that that aligns with starting a business. Because if you look at it and say, "I want to start a business to show these people that I can do it", then that's the wrong thing to do. If you're saying you want to go into business because that environment is where you thrive or that type of work is meaningful to you and that type of community is meaningful to you, then you're going towards the right direction I would say.

Morgan: It has to be for you. A lot of people's goals also incorporate their loved ones or their family, and I would still consider that "you". It has to be for an internal reason rather than like you said, "I'll show them". Because it has to just create such a high sense of drive that you're able to endure over time, days, weeks, and months, through the ups and downs. Because if you don't have that power behind it, it's probably not going to go very far or it won't be very sustainable. I'm glad that you brought that up. Thank you so much for sharing all of that.

It sounds to me that when we were together talking about a lot of mental health stuff, it was very in the moment and "how can I make my day today more comfortable", and less 100% anxiety. Since then, it sounds like you have really taken a lot of time to reflect on how else that day to day maybe influenced everything else that was going on with you personally your business.

Bill: Absolutely, and with looking back again, it's clear you were helping me with a lot of the structural stuff within my business to get it ordered, to get everything in the fold where I don't have that ability with the ADD. You were essentially helping me with my executive function and that's where you're such a massive help for me. I know that's not necessarily how you help everyone, but that ability to help me understand some of these executive functions of planning and organizing, I didn't have that and still continue to struggle with it. It's something that I'm going to be outsourcing.

Then you mentioned "outside of the business". You don't realize when you're a one-man show how much your personal life also impacts your business. If you're having stress at home, it can create challenges in the business. If you're always stressed out and you never give yourself time to recover, then you're just going to be burnt out. The only time that you're going to slow down is probably going to be on your own time, which is business time. That impacts everything as well, which kind of stresses everything out.

Morgan: It's a whole vicious cycle. It always reminds me of my own mental breakdowns, which I feel like when I first started out, probably the first six months or so, I would have a mental breakdown probably at least once a week with being like, "What am I doing?" Over time it's gone from weekly, to monthly, to quarterly, and moving more into semi-annually, so I think with that said, being patient with yourself is also really important. I think that was something that you were mentioning with, "I should be able to do this. I should be doing what all these other people are doing." You should never "should" anything.

Bill: Right. That's one of the cognitive distortions that I was having was a lot of shoulda, coulda, woulda for sure.

Morgan: I think that that's something that it really took a long time for me to break out of. You see all these entrepreneurs online, especially now, doing all these things and being very go, go, go. Of course that's probably not the reality with a lot of people. However, because that's what we see online then you think that you should be able to be working 12 hours a day, six days a week on your business, and if you're not doing that you're not good enough. You start to come up with your own conclusions in a way about what it takes to be successful, when in reality every single business and business owner has a completely unique situation. While a lot of the paths to get from here to there have similar elements, all of the external and internal factors that each business owner has is going to create their own individualized way to where they want to go. I think if that's something that I had known earlier on with mental health-wise, that probably would have helped to say, "Just because this person's doing that doesn't mean I have to", and I have to think about what's going to be best for me ultimately.

One other thing I wanted to mention is I always talk about with people when it comes to pricing your services. If you're going to charge $200 a session then you better be filled with the integrity of also being willing to pay $200 for a session to another provider. If you aren't willing to pay for your own health care then, this is just with cash practice, but if you won't pay for your own health care why should somebody pay you cash? It doesn't line up.

Coming back to the mental health thing, if you're expecting people to invest in their health with therapy and also invest their time and energy, but you aren't willing to get the help that you need, then I feel that's also a conflict.

Bill: You have to walk the walk. You said a couple things that I'd love to go back and touch on. You mentioned your rates. Not only thinking that you would do it yourself, but looking at what you charge and the value you give with that charge. You have to look at it and say, "If I was getting this value would I pay for it?" Because sometimes part of the reason that a lot of us are doing, (or at least the reason I'm doing this) is because I haven't ever received the type of care that I try to give. It's almost like would I pay the $250 for what I've gotten for physical therapy? No, but I would pay the $250 if someone was going to invest in me and communicate with me the way that I try to do with my clients.

When you're looking at your rates, you could charge a lot, but what is the value that you're giving with that and and how can you make sure that people understand that if you're going to charge a ton then you're going to give a ton of attention and energy to people. If you're not going to charge as much then you're not going to give them as much. It's just understanding the value spectrum when it comes to your rates because again you could charge $100 or $150, but then you only give them a certain part of your time versus charging much more which you give them more energy, more time, more focus. What that comes down to though is knowing yourself worth. Knowing what you are worth, what your knowledge is worth, what your care and your time are worth, and believing that you are worth it when it comes to that investment. I think that's kind of important to know when people are thinking about their prices. It's not just logistics, it's also your value and then the value to other people that you're providing.

Morgan: And the results long term too. Because we might be thinking: step one is just establish the pricing, and then step two it's, "I'm charging $250. I need to give at least $250 worth of value at that time." It's not just that hour though. It's also the results that you're giving them into the future and all the things you're doing between sessions.

Bill: I'd like to challenge you a little on that. The reason being, I just actually read a pretty transformative book. It's a book that has really transformed the way I'm thinking, and I highly recommend this to any new entrepreneur. I think it would be one of the top five books I would recommend. It's called The Courage to Be Disliked. The reason I want to challenge you is because just the way you phrased it. You said you want to make sure that you are giving a $200/ $250 value. I know I said it too, so I'm still working on it. I'm challenging us with this new thing I learned.

Essentially, if you are doing your best, and you are doing what you believe is your job, it shouldn't matter how the other person responds to it. Because you're doing your best and that's what you're worth. That's kind of the way they they talk about tasks and separation of tasks. My task is to provide care. Their task is to receive the care, to do their programming or whatever's instructed of them, to experience and feel the way they feel. Those two things shouldn't cross. I shouldn't be trying to change the way they feel. I should just be doing the thing that I've promised to do.

Morgan: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's that your responsibility in the relationship is only for yourself. I feel like a lot of times we say we have to do all these things. We feel like we need to be the professional, and it's our responsibility for how the other person feels, whether they do their homework, whether they get the results, etc. At the end of the day though, you can only truly be responsible for your own actions, thoughts, feelings, etc.

Bill: Yeah, and that's kind of what I was talking about with some of the the changes with the social anxiety, having that mindset when it comes to creating content. If you're driven to educate people, that's your task. That's your thing. Do it! That's why it's called The Courage to Be Disliked, because it's like you do what what you want to do, do what you are passionate and love doing, because that's the way that you're going to be free. Have the courage to know that maybe thousands of people will dislike you, but also understand that there are probably going to be thousands of people that do like you. It's the courage to do it regardless.

That's something that I've actually noticed with a lot of coaches that are preaching "do it". People won't care or they will care, don't worry because people don't care. No, do it because that's what you love doing and do it because you're really passionate about it. It doesn't matter what anybody else says. It's a hard thing to remember when you've gone through all that stuff.

Especially with what you're talking about social media and how you see other people doing things and you feel like you're in competition. In reality though if your goal is to help people avoid surgery or help people have fulfilled lives, then you guys are all on the same team, right? Yes, maybe monetarily feel some competition, but really everybody's on the same team. You guys are working for the same thing.

Then with Instagram and Facebook and everything, as you mentioned, you see all the positives and what you don't see is all the the blood, sweat, and tears, and the frustration. I have people come up to me and they're like, "It looks like your practice is doing great!" I'm like, "Does it? I'm glad it looks like it's doing good. Awesome!" I know how it's going. I'm content and happy. You keep building it, but I'm glad it looks good to other people. I also know the moments where everything's falling apart.

Then the other thing going way back to what you were talking about with early entrepreneur, early business starting and having those freak-outs. I don't know about you, but for me it was failure. That's also something within mental health range is failure and also what we were just talking about, your own tasks. You're gonna fail a lot and you need to learn to be okay with that. The faster you learn to be okay with not doing it right, the faster you'll be able to build. I knew that and I recited that to myself, but I was never able to actually feel it. I feel like I'm kind of finally to that point, but you need to realize that you're going to stink. You're not going to be good at stuff.

Morgan: Especially with sales!

Bill: Yeah! And it's going to hurt and it's going to be like, "What did I do wrong?" and "Oh my goodness, that was so important. Why didn't I get that person?" It's not important. You're going to get another person, you're going to learned from that experience and you're going to get better with every time you do it. Understand that, again, your task within sales is to do everything you can to help them see how you could help them, because you really want to help them. Their task is to decide if that value that you placed on yourself is within their value realm. If it isn't, that's not up to you.

You can look at all these tricks and tips and all these these different strategies, but when it comes down to it, it's being able to express your value the best you can and people judging that value and and feeling that it's valuable enough to them. It's an interesting journey. Especially with sales. You're right.

Morgan: Let's talk about that a little bit because I feel what you were just saying was such a good summary of how an initial sales interaction or a typical eval should go. One of the biggest things that I would say that I wish I knew at the beginning was to just shut up. Don't talk so much. You were saying express your value, but you don't have to talk for five minutes straight to a person to convince a patient to work with you. You don't. You put yourself out there, you ask questions, you relate to the person, build a relationship as every single marketing and sales book will tell you.

You just have to put something on the table and say based on everything they've said here's my recommendation and then shut up. Let the other person talk. Sometimes I still do it. Have you ever had this? I'll be on a sales call or whatever and I have this out of body experience watching myself. A complete dumpster fire. That's going to happen no matter how long you've been in business, right? Yeah, that's the number one piece of advice that I wish I could go back and give myself, is just being simple and ask questions. Because it's not about you.

Bill: Yeah, absolutely. I think another thing that's overlooked, especially in the marketing and sales tips that are surrounding us, is the failure to recognize and make sure that your product is actually as good as you think it is. I forget what book it is, but there's a story about two kids on the block that have lemonade stands and one kid has a ton of customers and then the other kid is learning all these ways to get customers through marketing strategies. Yes, he gets customers, but they're not consistent. He finally takes a look and goes over to try to figure it out. He has one of his lemonades and he's like, "Oh my goodness that's the best lemonade I've ever had!" That's why people keep going there and that's why people are buying from them is because it's amazing. Because the service and the care and and all that stuff is amazing, not because of the tricks and things that you do to get them in the door. It should be because they feel a real sense of care and that they really are on track and value what you're providing to a level that you value yourself.

Morgan: It reminds me too of myself and lots of other people when they first started practicing. The fear of being good enough. You were just saying you have to be confident in your offer. Something that I really try to focus on, and what you were saying before about you can only be responsible for yourself, is even if the clinical diagnosis is not something that you've been treating for a zillion years and then maybe it's something that's totally new to you, you can still be confident in your offer to help somebody. Because that will never change. It might even just only get better in the way that you interact with your patients and go about guiding them. You can have the clinical confidence as well. That's obviously good. However, when you're first getting started or something crazy comes up, you can still have the confidence in that part: you're very strong at building a relationship with someone, rapport, research, and talking to other clinicians to help this patient.

Bill: Another thing to boost that confidence is because you've been surrounded by people for so long that are within this world, you forget that other people don't understand it. You almost assume that the people that you're talking about have all the same knowledge as you. Maybe some do, but some of my clients don't know what a quad is. They don't know things and you have to educate them. If you can give them just that base, just a little bit more, you're definitely going to be able to help them. It's important to remember that and you definitely have the ability to help people no matter where you are.

Morgan: Be confident in that. I think it's just so interesting to look back and see if I had only chilled out for one second, maybe it wouldn't have been so stressful, but of course all those experiences helped lead us to where we are right now.

Talking about being a newish dad and being a parent as a business owner:

Bill: I don't know if I actually told you, but we're expecting another child.

Morgan: Oh, congratulations!

Bill: Going to be a dad again, dad to two, which is going to be crazy! Can't can't even imagine. It's challenging because you have to ask your partner to do certain things and have your back in that sense when it comes to making sure that home is taken care of while you do your things that you need to do for your business. Whether it's going to workshops, treating late, or taking time that's maybe not that consistent 9 to 5 type work. You have to be on the same page with your partner about it.

To be honest, I think my business is way easier than parenting. I think a lot of the lessons that I learned for business and with parenting, cross mold. It's amazing, but yeah it's challenging. You have different time responsibilities than someone who doesn't have children. You have different things tugging at you than people who don't have children. You have less sleep than people that don't or possibly more stressed. I have a toddler who's throwing tantrums and so being able to kind of learn to just zen and meditate while they have a tantrum is crucial. It comes at a cost of time, structuring your schedule, and making sure that you are as efficient as you can within the time that you do have. That way you will be able to go home and enjoy your family and be present with your family versus going home and still thinking about the business and and not being present. That's only going to create problems.

Morgan: I feel like it kind of even falls under the whole topic of life balance and I know that's something that you and I talked about quite a bit. I definitely do not claim to be perfect at it. I feel like it's so hard too when you really love what you do. You like it and you enjoy it and then you also like and enjoy your family.

What tips or advice do you have/ any tactics to help you with that work/life balance?

Bill: Definitely. There are times where I'll take the afternoon and go just do something by myself. You have to get over that feeling that we talked about about not doing stuff for work or that you should be working. You always hear that self time and taking a break is taking care of yourself and actually helping progress the business. It is because it makes you more effective when you are working. Taking time and doing the things that you care about, scheduling it in so that you go and do it and you can have a little bit of alone time. If you had a real job you wouldn't get that so that's one of the perks and that's one of the things that at the beginning you're saying you can make your own schedule and can do what you want to do. That's the beauty of it is you you do make your own schedule.

I go to frisbee golf by myself and I stink. I'm really bad at it but it's awesome. I'm in nature throwing a disc and enjoying walking in the woods by myself. Usually when I come out of it I feel so much better and I'm ready to go home and be a dad and and ready for the next day. I like walking and nature and all that stuff. It helps you ease your mind and it can help you think through things. You're never going to turn your brain off completely so sometimes scheduling time off is also going to allow you that calm to think of the things that you need to think of. Meaning it just kind of comes to you.

Another tip I would say... I was working out in the morning, but now I would just say get your sleep. It's so important. Figure out when you're going to work out another time during the day. Some people feel they need to get up and work out. Yeah definitely possibly the case, but then make sure you go to bed early. You need the sleep. You got to do it. Your body's a temple so if you don't take care of what you eat, how you sleep, how you rest and recover, your hydration, it's going to impact you at a greater level, because of how much stress is on you. Whether it is from a family parenting side or from a business side. It's going to show up because there's a lot of stress and that's just how it goes.

Morgan: Of course everybody says, "Take care of yourself. Blah, blah, blah", but if you think about it in a way of my body is going to be able to better handle the stress of the business because I took care of myself. I like the Tiktok meme that's like, "I go for a stupid walk for my stupid mental health".

Bill: Another another big thing for parenting and for business, if you aren't meditating, it helps you. It's not the art of shutting your brain off. It's the art of learning how to come back into yourself when everything around you is chaos. Your brain is the chaos during meditation because you're just sitting there and then you have to come into yourself. That helps you when your toddler is having a tantrum when you're late to drop off, when you have someone no show, or something goes wrong in the business. It allows you to be able to work that muscle. That muscle is helping you stay calm in the situation.

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